I want a Golden Retriever Puppy, NOW!

[johnwa]

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What would you recommend to a person who wants to acquire a golden retriever puppy? Or for that matter, an adult dog, either from a breeder or a rescue.
Many people want to get a dog, but they are clueless when it comes to the fine points, such as, do I have the room, am I prepared for the financial as well as the personal responsibilities of dog ownership. Is my lifestyle appropriate for the golden retriever breed? Remember: it's a "sporting" breed. And so on... Besides acquiring your dog from a responsible breeder, what advice would you give?
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[Rosebud53161]

Well, in my case, my dog of 14 years passed away. I was pretty devastated to say the least. I had gotten her from a pound and she was the best dog I ever had! After a few months I decided I wanted another dog. I missed that companionship only a dog can give. I did alot of research on different breeds and talked it over with my husband as to the breed we would both like. It was between a Lab and Golden Retriever.My last dog had "Golden" in her and I knew she was a very unique dog(not that they all aren't) so thats what I decided to get. I knew how full all the pounds and shelters were and felt I would be doing the right thing in rescuing a dog from there. So many people discard thier pets like they are throwing out a pair of old shoes! Well....then my search began. It took me 4 months of going to shelters,Petfinder.com,Adopt-A-Pet etc. etc. I wasn't going to just get any dog for the sake of having one. I would know "It" was the one when I found it.I decided after going to many places, to try the Detroit Animal Control. There are alot of dogs there and people don't want to drive to the inner city to get one from there. Some of the dogs are there because they were used as decoys for Pittbulls and such. It's very heartwrenching! That's where I found my Logan! His name at that time had been Iccarus...LOL!But they had called him that at the pound...they had no info on him other than he had been found wandering the streets of Detroit ..eating outta dumpsters. He was 6 months old and weighed 32 pounds. You could count every rib. He wouldn't even bark. You could tell he was very terrified. I took him for a 20 minute walk and checked him out the best I could.I brought him home and have been trying to build his confidence ever since...lots of luv..obedience class..etc. O...and I should mention...he didn't even know what a toy or treat was! He is doing so well now and I feel I made the best possible choice.Pets are like children and count on us to make the right decisions. They need love..food..shelter etc etc. If you can give them up like they are a comodity because they become"inconvienent"..then don't bother getting a pet...get a stuffed animal! Too many pets have to be destroyed for that very reason. That's my 2 cents:021

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[KCGoldens]

A puppy is a big commitment. When you buy a puppy you are not just buying a cute little fluffy furball, you are buying a 14 year commitment. If you are prepared to make this sort of commitment why would you rush out and buy the first golden puppy you see?
What sort of adult dog do you want. A mellow family dog to hang around the house and play with the kids? An hunting dog, one to take camping and do lots of activities with.
Do the research. Learn about puppy personality test. Not all goldens are the same you want one that will fit with your lifestyle. (I did not do this reasearch the first time, we got a high energy hunting dog from champion hunting stock, and we wanted a mellow companion golden, it took 3 years of work and dedication and major adjustments in our lifestyle to make it work, and now I have the worlds best companion house dog.)
Goldens cost money. You have vet bills, food bill, grooming, toys, equipement to care for your dog. You can easily spend $1000 to $2500 in the first two months including the cost of the golden. You wouldn't rush into any other investment of this size, why would you do it when you buy a puppy?
Time. You make your golden puppy into the dog it will be. You need to train them, play with them, groom them, feed them, and train them some more. Goldens are companion dogs, you cannot leave them out in the back yard or in the garage. If you don't have the time to make them fit with your family you need to wait.

When buying a puppy most people think of how THEY will benifit from having a dog. What the dog will do for them. Before you make that final decision, ask yourself, how will this puppy benifit from having YOU as their owner. :)

[Goldenheart]

<span style="font-family:georgia; color:green;">Well, outside of all that has already been mentioned my next advise would be to "Borrow One" Take it for a day and overnight if possible. This is the best way to know if you can cope with how demanding a high energy golden actually can be. Can you handle the hole it just dug in your beautiful green lawn, can you handle early morning walks because the golden baby has to go potty, how are you at picking up dog crap out in the yard or even stepping in it for that matter while your out their picking it up.

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I am sure others will add to this list as they come in.

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[ChicagoCanine]

Here is what I would suggest, for anyone wanting a puppy/dog. It can pertain to any breed (just replace the word 'Golden' with 'the breed and it still works):

The first piece of advice I would give is DO NOT under ANY circumstances go to a pet shop for your puppy! The second would be, if you're buying a puppy, research the breeder VERY carefully, don't buy from just anyone. Be sure the parents, grandparents etc have had all health certs, including OFA hips/elbows, heart check, CERF'd eyes and free of epilepsy. Find out how old other dogs from that line lived, and what health problems they had. Remember that buying a dog is a lifetime commitment, and the healthier (and free of genetic problems) the parents/grandparents/etc were, the more likely your puppy will grow to be a healthy dog and stay healthy older.
Third, DO NOT immediately go around and look at puppies! It's very easy for a puppy to end up 'stealing your heart' if you go around looking before doing research on the breeder, so avoid this- you want a healthy, long-lived dog, so first find a good, responsible breeder.

Here the rest:

#1- Talk to owners of Goldens. Find out what their life is like with their dog/s, how often they need grooming/exercise/attention etc. Find out what it's really like to live with the breed.

#2- Find a good book on Goldens. A GOOD book, written by someone who really knows the breed, NOT one of those 'series' type books where the publisher has books for every breed that look similar, where most of the info is generic, and only some sections are specific to the breed.


#3- Meet as many Goldens as possible, so you can see the differences in personality, activity level, etc that you may get.

#4- Talk to breeders or rescuers, depending on where you want to get your dog. Find out about their history and the dogs' history.

#5- If/when you decide you are 100% sure you want a Golden and have the time to commit to training, exercise and caring for the dog/puppy, start reading. Find books with info about housetraining, basic obedience, preventing behavior problems, and raising a puppy. Read *before* you get the dog! Remember that behavior problems are much easier to stop BEFORE they start and have become habits. Puppies and rescue dogs need to learn the 'house rules' and need to be taught how to behave properly, which should start as soon as you bring them home. If you are not willing to commit the time to training and teaching manners, then you should reconsider getting a dog.


Remember that Goldens are an active breed. They need a lot of exercise to stay happy and healthy. An active life is perfect for a Golden, if you are very busy with work or your social life, you may want to consider a different breed. Goldens are also very people-oriented and 'needy', they really need a lot of 'quality time' and should be a part of your family to be happy.
They are also a fairly longhaired breed, so they do shed (some may call it a LOT of shedding.) The breed also has a lot of health problems, so you should be financially prepared to pay for high vet bills which may pop up.

[TrooperandMike]

We've run into this alot since having Trooper around - people see him and (when he is behaving) instantly want "one"....in addition to the comments expressed here, I just start a long discussion on the time committment required - not just for a puppy, but to have a loving, well behaved friend....

the suggestion on borrowing a dog is a very good idea!

there have been times in the last 10 months where I might have put off getting a puppy if I had really known the time and energy commitment necessary for a Golden...but then again, with the friend I now have, I'd do it again in a heartbeat! :032

[KCGoldens]

I am really happy to see this topic has been tacked up again! :)

With the holiday season fast approching here is a big word of warning to all puppy buyers!

I am in the midwest so I can guarentee you that the puppy farms are hard at work cranking out those cute little pups for your holiday! :\

Another poster used the term "ignorant puppy farmer" pretty harsh words, but very true.

Here is what you will get for your money if you buy a puppy that has come from a broker.

The puppy farmers breeding program: They have no idea of structure, health clearances or breeding dogs free of genetic defects. There whole goal is to crank out puppys that are healthy enough to past the vets check at the puppy brokers. Your new puppy will have its dew claws removed by some underaged worker at the farm. It will be fed cheap food (and may already be developing food allergies). The puppy will be removed from its litter at 6 weeks or younger and go to a holding facility where it will be scrubbed up, vet checked (probably its very first time being seen by a vet :( ) and held for a week for processing on to a store. Your now 7+ week puppy will arrive at its location where it will be sold. In addition to the food allergies it may have started developing, it now is developing behavior problems. Because the puppy farmer was ignorant and bred for the money, you puppy may have many hidden genetic problems as well.
Bad hips = up to $3000
Skin problems $200 to $1500
(farm breeders produce dogs with a higher chance of having dermadox mange, this can cost even more)
Food Allergies = special foods and vet treatments up to $1500 a year.
Behavior problems = Damaged property, frustrations and $100+ in training.

So you want that puppy NOW? You want to pay all that extra money later because you did not want to wait and get a good healthy puppy from a reputable breeder.

If you can't wait, RESCUE A DOG! Give an animal in need a home and don't support puppy brokers or puppy farmers. These people are the main reason the humaine societies are overloaded. :(

[goldenjack]

Excellent reply-post, kcgoldens !
Actually, they are all excellent.

:dogbark Remember: you are making a commitment to a dog that will most likely be with you anywhere from 9 to 15 years (depending on several factors).
People usually want quick-and-dirty answers to this question, but you know, there are none. It really does take some research, and it really does pay-off in the end. There is a wealth of info available. For starters, this board for one thing. There are also some pretty good starter links here as well. They can be found here: www.topgoldenretrieversit...arch.shtml (http://www.topgoldenretrieversites.net/tgrsearch.shtml)
I like the one from the Del Valley Resue. There are about 25 questions that they ask people who want a GR. And then, there are about another 20 or so points that they make regarding the breed, very interesting reading. :094

[Jeters Mommy]

Some great information! Also, in my opinion, bringing home a puppy during the holidays could be stressful (to say the least) for everyone. Jeter is my first pup, to raise, my parents took care of that with my childhood pets. I couldn't imagine having Jeter as a tiny pup during all of the holiday craziness! Maybe just because I was new at it, but I think it would have been very stressful for him also. :jump2

[SydneySuesPlace]

Jetersmom,

Same with our home. This is our first pup to raise and take care of as the parents handled our other dogs growing up. We attempted to time the puppy coming home so we would have all summer with Sydney while our oldest was out of school. That way the whole family could spend time bonding. Our youngest spends all day with Sydney and they are like brother and sister. Sydney will blop down right in the middle of his train tracks and boy we'll he get mad! Funny that the three year old actually talks with Sydney and they seem to have a very good understanding of each other. She lays by the gate if he is in his room down stairs and she can't get to him.

Oh, back to puppy mills and holidays...The other school of thought was the holidays and having her be 6-8 months and "somewhat" trained was the goal. Sydney Sue has yet to experience a roasted turkey, prime rib or twinkling Christmas tree yet but it will be challenging I bet...better keep the camera handy! I think if you haven't "planned" on getting a pup for the holidays it would be a bad idea to get a fluff ball in the window. The Christmas tree does come down in January and the puppies needs do not! There should be a law against K-9s and Cats being sold in the mall settings etc. IMO

[KIRAs big sister]

I agree with Jeters Mommy 110%. A puppy around holiday time can be INCREDIBLY stresful. We brought Kira home on the first of December, which, in addition to the chaos associated with the holidays, can also be a problem when it comes to housebreaking. While this may not apply to others on this board, we live in New England, and our winters can be VERY harsh, which makes the inevitable 1 A.M. potty runs a bit of a challenge. I remember vividly putting on thermal socks, snow boots, a sweatshirt, scarf, hat, winter jacket, and gloves and STILL freezing (meanwhile, Kira thoroughly enjoyed chasing snowflakes and making snow puppies in the freshly fallen snow :lol ). We were very fortunate in that she hardly had any accidents, and it was great to have her around on christmas day (a little ball of fur battling it out with a mountain of wrapping paper is quite the sight to behold!:lol ). We love her to pieces, and wouldn't have had it any other way, but I would definately advise anyone who is considering getting a holiday puppy to consider the stresses on both themselves and the dog, and remind anyone that house training in blizzard-like conditions is no walk in the park;) ... but i must say, our "snow puppy" pictures are PRICELESS!!!

Best of luck in all of your decisions!

~britt and Kira:dogbark

[mtee1958]

Such great advice being given. After our Golden Maggie passed, 12 wonderful years with us, it took me awhile to decide to get another. While go through all that hassle. But we made the decision. I then read alot about how to find a breeder. I knew I did not want a small Golden, one bred for hunting. But in South Dakota, all the Golden's seem to be bred for that. So I had to decide to go out of state to get one. How do you find a good breeder when you can't see his home and dogs? If you go this way, find out if the breeder is a member of a GR club - what other organizations does he belong to? The certification of the parents hips etc. is very important. Puppies take lots of time. Our Bailey is fabulous, but he's had a urinary tract infection since we've had him and he's not potty trained yet.
But underneath all these beginning trials and tribulations is the fact that you will have a great companion for many years. Like a child - teach them well, and in your later years you can sit back and bask in a job well done!

[jampener]

I really donot think some people should have dogs, a dog requires being taken care of, that means many things, it is not fair to a dog, to be left alone for long periods, especially a puppy, i read where one has got a puppy, wants to know if they will be okay if left alone for 6-8hours, no they won't they are babies, they need some-one there to play with them, to take them out, they cac not hold there bladder for long periods of time, get a cat , take good care of it though, a dog needs a lot more time, love ,attention, it is not fair to treat a dog any other way.

[Jilly]

I tend to agree with you Jampener. Although a puppy will get used to most lifestyles, being on it's own all day long cannot be the perfect life. Once in a while it's OK but personally I would feel awful leaving my babes. I know that there are many people out there who will say that they make up for the hours they are alone by giving extra attention in the evenings. I know that the majority of these people love their dogs to bits. But I cannot imagine any of them saying that in a perfect world things would not be different and they would not choose to spend more time with their babes.
I am in the fortunate position of being at home most of the day. If I were not I would certainly think twice about having a dog and certainly wouldn't dream of having the 4 that we do have.
The other argument of course is that a dog would be much happier with owners who were away most of the day but gave it vast amounts of love when they were there, to be with unloving, uncaring owners all day every day.
So there you go. Life is rarely perfect; neither for owner nor dog but what I am quite sure of is that all of the dog owners on this forum love their dogs and do everything possible to provide a happy home life for them. Let's face...we wouldn't all be here if we didn't care.
Merry Christmas to all 2 leggeds and 4 leggeds out there. :xmass2

[Regal101]

<img src="C:\Documents and Settings\Rachel\My Documents\My Pictures"> Don't know if the pic will show. Oh well. Ok, first goldens are alot of responsibility. Just wanting one isn't enough. Do your research and find a breeder that works for YOU! You will be interviewed over and over again. Be prepared, know your facts, and research the breeders history on their dogs. :)

[Chablis]

THE TOP 13 REASONS NOT TO GET A GOLDEN RETRIEVER



12)YOU ARE LOOKING FOR AN “OUTSIDE ONLY” DOG.

Part of what makes Goldens “Golden” is their affectionate, people loving nature. This trait makes them VERY unhappy when they don’t have a high amount of interaction with you. A Golden confined to the backyard can become destructive and LOUD! Imagine if you left your children alone most of the time until they reached adolescence. The wild child you are picturing is similar to what will happen to a Golden left alone that much. If you aren’t planning on your dog becoming one of the family – a Golden is not the breed for you!

11)YOU DON”T LIKE DOG HAIR.

Goldens shed – a little all year round and then a couple of times a year- look out! If you have a problem with Golden fuzz becoming part of your dietary fiber or you’re compulsive about always dressing in black – this is not the breed for you! Goldens also need regular grooming to keep their skin and coat in good condition. You can easily learn to do this yourself or have your dog professionally groomed, but grooming time is something to factor into the amount of time you will need to spend caring for your dog.

10)YOU HAVE NO SENSE OF HUMOR.

Goldens are born with a sense of mischief. If you really see nothing funny about waking up to a cold, slobbery tennis ball in your face or a puppy that decides that 2:00 a.m. is a great time to play fetch – perhaps another breed or an older dog might be best.

9)YOU ARE A CLEAN FREAK.

Muddy paws, nose prints on every window in your house and car, and did I mention the hair? Enough said… If you can’t relax and enjoy it, you and your dog will both be miserable.

8)YOU ARE A COUCH POTATO AND HOPE YOUR DOG WILL BE TOO.

Goldens are sporting dogs, bred to retrieve game all day. They need regular exercise, especially as puppies, or they can become destructive and unhappy. If your longest walk in the past month was from the couch to your bed – perhaps a more sedentary pet would better suit your needs?

7)YOU LIKE EVERYTHING TO STAY RIGHT WHERE YOU PUT IT.

Goldens have a last name - “Retriever”, from the Latin meaning “to put EVERYTHING in your mouth and dance around with it!” The retrieving instinct SHOULD be a part of every Golden so if you object strongly to your dog happily strutting out to greet company with your underwear in his mouth – perhaps you should continue your search for the perfect breed.

6)YOU ARE APPROACHING GETTING A DOG AS A TEMPORARY CONDITION.

Not only are Goldens addictive – but also they will also hopefully live a long time. Dog ownership is a commitment for the life of a dog. If you figure your dog will head for the pound once the kids are in school – please reconsider getting a pet! Golden rescue is full of dogs that have lost their homes as a result of changes in life circumstances. Some are not preventable and the dedicated volunteers who care for these dogs are ready and willing to help – but the changes that ARE predictable should be taken into consideration BEFORE making a commitment to a dog!

5)YOU DON’T LIKE MEETING NEW PEOPLE.

Your new family member will need obedience classes to help him become a well-behaved canine citizen. This is a dangerously easy place to make friends. It is also impossible to walk down the street with a beautiful Golden dog and NOT be stopped by strangers. Goldens are people magnets. Got a problem with this? Maybe a something in the guard dog family would serve you better?

4)YOU WANT TO MAKE A QUICK BUCK BREEDING DOGS.

Last year Golden Retriever Rescue spent hundreds of thousands of dollars working to save hundreds of dogs. Most of these dogs wound up in rescue because their owners had little idea of the time, commitment and effort it takes to own a dog. And their breeders had little idea of the proper techniques for placing puppies in the RIGHT homes. These rescue dogs are a testament to the fact that there are too many carelessly bred Goldens. If Golden breeding is done right it is RARELY a profitable adventure. Health clearances, veterinary care, and puppy supplies are just a few of the many expenses that occur as a result of an “uncomplicated” litter. If you consider the possible problems you may encounter, it is easy to see why breeding is NOT a money making venture!

3)YOU ARE LOOKING FOR A GUARD DOG.

Did I mention the part about Goldens loving everyone? They will be eager to assist the thieves that are breaking into your home; probably even helping them carry out the silver. If you are looking for protection this probably isn’t an endearing quality… maybe that guard dog is looking better.

2)YOU LOOK AT THAT LITTLE 10-POUND BALL OF FUR AND OFFER UP A SILENT PRAYER THAT HE’LL STAY THAT SIZE.

Goldens should range from 21 inches at the shoulder to around 24 and weigh in anywhere from 50 to 80 lbs. This is a lot of dog. If you don’t plan on heeding my advice about obedience classes, you may find yourself with an out of control, furry, wiggly, monster with a tail that can clear a coffee table in one great swoop! As an alternative, there are several wonderful smaller breeds (many without tails!) to choose from.

2) YOU THINK DOGS MAKE GREAT NANNIES FOR SMALL CHILDREN AND A WONDERFUL LESSON IN RESPONSIBILITY FOR OLDER KIDS. You are partly right. A Golden retriever and a child often form a loving, inseparable bond. However, the ultimate responsibility for any living, breathing creature must always fall to an adult. Children can be wonderful dog groomers, trainers and best friends, but they need adult guidance. You should also remember that Goldens are big enough - even as puppies - to knock down a small child. Small children and dogs should ALWAYS be supervised when together, for both their sakes!

AND THE NUMBER ONE REASON “NOT” TO GET A GOLDEN RETRIEVER….

YOU THINK AN IDEAL PLACE TO GET ONE IS THE PET STORE IN YOUR MALL!

Golden Retrievers can have several potential health problems. Chief among these are Canine Hip Dysplasia - a sometimes crippling joint disease; sub-aortic stenosis - a usually fatal heart defect; several inherited eye diseases that can blind or disable a dog; epilepsy, early onset cancer and temperament problems ranging from hyperactivity to aggression. It is essential that you seek out a responsible breeder if you are looking for a puppy or an established rescue group if an adult dog would fit your needs better. For information on how to find a responsible breeder visit the Golden Retriever Club of America’s home page: www.grca.org/ For help finding a rescue Golden, visit the list of Golden Rescues across the country: http://www.grca-nrc.org/Localrescues.htm .


IF YOU THINK EACH ONE OF THESE HEADINGS WILL BE OKAY THEN YOUR READY FOR A GOLDEN RETRIEVER

( www.grca.org )

[rushe]

I would say think it over, long and hard. If you want a Golden you need to have a large fenced yard free of anything that you don't want destroyed. Seriously. I know that there are some cases that people have Goldens without fenced yards, but for the most part I'd say it's a must. You should also be prepared to have a HUGE house dog that SHEDS year round. I'm serious again! My dog sheds in the summer, winter, and even after I had him clipped he shed little quarter inch long hairs EVERYWHERE. If they aren't kept inside most of the time they'll go nuts. They will literally start chewing on their own legs and eating their own poop if you leave them outside for more than just a play period or bathroom break. They stick to you like glue. You can't do anything, even have visitors, without them sitting right there with you. If you try to pen them up somewhere in the house when you have guests they'll bark, whine, chew and claw until they finally get on your nerves bad enough that you let them out, or they get out themselves. They are very persistent at everything. They also mature slower than other dogs, sometimes they're 2 or 3 before they reach adulthood. They need plenty of training, and Goldens are not quite as easy to train as they have the reputation for being. Some of them can be a little stubborn. Any electronic training device such as a training collar, invisible fence or anti-bark collar doesn't work well on Goldens. They tend to ignore them. Sometimes they'll even ignore a prong collar. They will likely need professional training which can get expensive. I have an outdoor run for my dog which I refer to as a "padded cell". It is fenced on all sides with a concrete floor, a VERY expensive chew-proof dog house, a steel bucket and feeding dish, and NOTHING else that he can chew on. Believe me, they will ALWAYS find something to do. Whether it's dig, chew, you name it they'll do it. If you leave him outside alone in excess of 1/2 hour you will likely have a BIG surprise waiting for you when you go out to get him. I learned these things the hard way. I love my dog, but I wish I had been more educated before I got him.

[goodtim'n]

Easy does it RUSH, These are dogs, yes, but these are Golden Retrievers, not something Dr. Frankenstein created. The good of this breed far outways the bad.. It is quite obvious that your experience has not been the greatest, but it also has been recognized that by no misfortune of your's that you are dealing with a mix, that you, yourself have said is part chow, which I tend to agree with.

[rushe]

Once again I am not trying to make the Golden sound like a bad breed. They definately have their strong points. I do feel that they are a real challenge for the novice dog owner and that they should be aware of the possibilities before purchasing one. One day I was walking my dog and a lady pulled up beside me in her car and stopped. She asked me if I trained my dog myself or had him professionally trained. I explained that it was really neither one, I was using a prong collar on him. She told me that her daughter has a Golden and she can't walk him at all because he pulls and jerks so bad and he won't do anything she asks.

I think that the media has done a disservice to Goldens by portraying them as gentle easy going dogs. In reality, an untrained Golden is far from gentle, and training a golden often requires professional guidence which can be costly.

Also, because of their popularity there has been an overbreeding of Goldens and some of them have bad temperments. My parents neighbor has a Golden that roams the neighborhood and he terrorizes everyone he sees. I'm surprised he hasn't bit someone yet. When people think of Goldens they think of gentle, loving dogs that will do whatever you ask and would never hurt a flea. That isn't accurate. An untrained golden will drag you on the ground behind him if he sees something he wants, and goldens don't come trained. If someone gets a golden puppy they should be prepared for this behavior prior to training, and also a long costly road to a well trained dog. I read on another forum where a lady's golden bolted after a cat and dislocated her shoulder.

[goodtim'n]

Is that the "DOGS" fault or the "OWNERS" fault? If this breed is, sooooo bad, then why are the within the #1 for Service Dogs. If you can't control or do not have the knowledge or the ability to seek out training then "ANY" breed of dog can be a handful. It just so happens that for a Large Breed Dog the Goldens have a Great Reputation and should not be Disrespected. These are Great, Wonderful Dogs and if they aren't the right dog for you then get another breed!!!!!!!!!!!!! Or better yet a Stuffed Animal!!!!!!!!!!

[rushe]

Yes, any large breed can be a handful, but goldens are no exception. They are wonderful dogs but they are not angels. Service Goldens are trained goldens, with years of training behind them. A "handful" almost doesn't describe an untrained, adolescent golden.

[goodtim'n]

People train dogs. Dogs do not train themselves. If owners insist on not educating themselves with or about dogs then that's when the trouble begins..Uneducated owners blame their dogs for EVERYTHING, I train dogs and people and It's not the Dogs I have most of my problems with, it's the Owners and their broken promises of saying, sure I'll work on that. Then they don't with the dog. and the vicious cirlcle of, WHAT'S WRONG WITH MY DOG? begins What as humans if our parents didn't teach us and guide us, what would we turn out to be?

[rushe]

I'm not blaming goldens or their owners, I'm just stating the facts of life. All adolescent dogs are a handful, and large breeds can be particularly tricky. Goldens are a sporting breed that require alot of human companionship and exercise. I don't think that most people realize just how much companionship they require. Most people think that if they spend 10 or 12 hours a day with their dog they're going above and beyond the call of duty. Goldens require attention 24 hours a day. They can't stand to be away from their family for a second. I've found that they don't even like to go out for a potty break without their master following close behind. That can get a little overwhelming for those who aren't prepared for it.

[goodtim'n]

Rushe: Goldens are not WEENIES and do not have to have the paw held thru life, they are not stupid. They are notorious for the devotion and loyalty. The are totally capable of thinking on their own with guidence and without destroying your life in the process. You most definetly have a different point of view of this GREAT BREED. Maybe you should check and see if there is a Golden Retriever club in your area that you could visit. Education goes a long way. I'VE MADE MY POINT AND I AND MY DOGS STAND BY THAT!!!!!! :dogbark Gooood Luckkkk

[rushe]

You are a dog trainer. Correct? No, you are not going to have the same issues as the average dog owner. Like it or not, Goldens can be a challenge for a first time dog owner or someone who isn't aware of their needs. Failing to point out the negatives only results in Goldens ending up in rescues and shelters because they have overwhelmed their owners.

Perhaps a Golden Retriever forum isn't the place to vent about Goldens, but then again what is? If someone is considering getting a golden and they come here for information and see only positive things, and anyone who pointed out negative things was criticized, they will think "oh, a golden must be a great dog that is easy to own, I think I'll get one". WRONG! They are not easy to own. They need lots of attention, lots of training, and lots of activities so they don't get bored. If you have a full time job and the dog will be left alone, don't get a golden. If you don't like dog hair, and I mean DOG HAIR, in your house or car, don't get a golden. If you can't afford professional training, don't get a golden.
All goldens need alot of attention, and some of them take it to the point of "weeniness". My dog has made my point, and I stand by it!

[CaynCher]

Rushe. I just read your posts. The first one was very funny to me. I'm sorry but it really was. People should read it and maybe there wouldn't be so much overbreeding of goldens out there. Your last post could be applied to children as well. They, too, need all of those things.

People should do their homework before bringing a dog home--any dog not just a golden. All dogs need TRAINING and goldens are no exception. No dog is born with perfect manners. Some behave better than others due to various circumstances--genetics, breeder/owner socialization, home environment (quiet,noisey). They are like children in that they will Test you to see what they can get away with. An older dog may be better for some in that it is less expensive than purchasing an 8wk old pup, may be housebroken, and know a few commands, but it may have other issues--that may be why someone else surrendered it in the first place. It should have an experienced or otherwise owner willing to work to correct any of its undesirable behaviors. Of course goldens shed, they have longer hair so need to be brushed; but in comparison with certain other breeds, I feel that they are low-maintance. They are a sporting/hunting breed so, of course, they like to exercise--that's why I have two. Cayenne can't keep up with me, that's why I got my 2nd. one. My dogs love being with me but they spend time alone too with no problems. It's all in the correct training. To me, goldens are a great breed for the right person/people. Their companionship is unexcelled. Not everyone should own a dog; and if they desire an animal, should look for a different species--maybe a cat, bird, or fish (less problems with those).

[rushe]

The part that bugs me is that everyone thinks that I am trying to single out Golden Retrievers as being a bad breed. I am aware that there are problems with everything. Children can get into trouble, other dogs get into trouble etc. but this is a Golden Retriever forum, for the purpose of discussing Golden Retrievers. The title of the thread is "I want a Golden Retriever". Armed with this info, my best assumption would be that we are here to discuss Golden Retrievers. Not children, not German Shepherd Dogs, not Jack Russel Terriers, but Golden Retrievers. I am simply pointing out that there are a lot of things that should be considered before purchasing a Golden Retriever. The more you know, the less likely your dog is to become a rescue or shelter dog.

[theGoldenPup]

You're making some good points, there are too many people with the wrong breed, or that even have a dog that shouldn't. They see one on TV or think it'd look cute in their purse...and go out and buy the first pup they see. All dogs need attention, training, exercise...some more than others.

And goldens all have different personalities. Blaze (...who is be 'purebred' as far back as any of them) is NOT your 'typical' golden. Luna, a golden mix happens to be like a 'typical' golden though!

Good point...but I'd say a stuffed animal before I'd suggest another species! Cats can be a lot of work too...(and its much harder to find a 'cat trainer' when problems come up..they shed, need attention, and some are more noisy than dogs!. The birds and fish need very precise care... but I suppose I"m rambling.

Very interesting discussion!

GoldenPup

[rushe]

My dog is a Golden mix and he's very much like a Golden. He's like velcro. I grew up with collies and they weren't like that. Not that I mind, but gosh, he's like that 24 hours a day. I also have a cat. She's quiet, clean, mannerly and indestructive. She's probably not the typical cat though, because I know that some cats can cause more trouble than dogs.

[Cassidy'sMom]

rushe: You posted in a previous thread:

I have an outdoor run for my dog which I refer to as a "padded cell". It is fenced on all sides with a concrete floor, a VERY expensive chew-proof dog house, a steel bucket and feeding dish, and NOTHING else that he can chew on.

The picture that formed in my head of your beautiful Rusty sitting all alone in there brought tears to my eyes. Could you not throw in a few bones to chew or toys to play with to keep himself occupied while waiting for you to return? How bored he must be with nothing to do. Is it a wonder that he is a handful when he finally does get let out of his "padded cell"? So he may destroy whatever toy you leave in there, but it's HIS toy and if that's what he chooses to do . . . oh, well. Get a new one. At least the hour you were gone only felt like 2 min. to him since he was busy the whole time. With NOTHING to do for that hour, he probably feels abandoned for like a whole day. Please, make this dog lover happy and tell me you (if you must use the padded cell) please consider giving him some fun things to do while you are gone. Ever heard of a Kong? Nylabones? Want something cheep . . . ice cubes.

BTW: did you rescuse Rusty or did you get him at a young age? I was just wondering because you talked about him being like velcro. That is not considered a golden trait, but I would consider it a rescue trait. I have a small terrier mix that I rescued from a very, very horrible situation. She is such a velcro dog now. If I walk out of the room and she doesn't relize it she freaks out running through the house crying & looking for me. However, Cassidy (my golden) needs her "alone time". She loves me very much but on days when I don't work and stay home all day at some point she will drag her bed into another room to get some alone time. When she's done and ready to be a part of the gang again, here she comes dragging her bed behind her. She never does this except when I'm home all day, so it's quite obvious that she just likes being alone from time to time. ;)

[rushe]

Don't worry, he doesn't stay in there much. I only have it for when he's outside and I can't watch him. It was expensive, but cheaper then replacing everything in the yard, including the yard, once he tears it up. I can't put chew toys in there because he always manages to get them outside the fence, and once this happens he WILL NOT STOP until the fence is tore down, because he wants the toy. The fence was costly enough the first time, I can't afford to replace it. Like I mentioned before they are persistant. When they want something ,they get it, whether you want them to have it or not.

He is a rescue dog, that might have something to do with it. The thing that I've always wondered about is what type of situation he came from. He was brought in as a stray, but I don't think that he was abused or anything because he was healthy looking and didn't have any fear issues. My guess is that he somehow got out of his yard, because he is an avid digger and escape artist. He even escaped from the run at the shelter.

[CaynCher]

Don't worry, he doesn't stay in there much. I only have it for when he's outside and I can't watch him. It was expensive, but cheaper then replacing everything in the yard, including the yard, once he tears it up. Like I mentioned before they are persistant. When they want something ,they get it, whether you want them to have it or not.

He is a rescue dog, that might have something to do with it. My guess is that he somehow got out of his yard, because he is an avid digger and escape artist. He even escaped from the run at the shelter.

How can he do so much damage to your yard in a short time if he is not out there much, unless he is SuperDog. Also, you say that you put him out there when you can't "watch him". In my opinion THAT IS WHEN HE NEEDS TO BE WATCHED SO HE WON'T DAMAGE YOUR YARD. When I don't want my dogs to have something, they don't get it. It is the OWNER'S RESPONSIBILITY to see to that and put things away. So a way to solve your problem is put him in the concrete kennel to potty & take him on leash for exercise in your area or maybe a park or as a last resort find him a suitable home. This dog needs an ACTIVE OWNER who can control and TRAIN him and who will enjoy exercising with him like I love to do with mine. I think that you mentioned in another post that you have a problem with your back so this large active dog may not be right for your particular circumstances. This only you can decide.

[Cassidy'sMom]

Yeah, I thought he must be a rescue. The velcro issue sounds just like my little Tabitha. If I didn't personally see the situation she was in before I got her, I would've never believed it! She is such a sweet dog. Loves everyone. How can she be so forgiving after being treated so badly for so long? We, as people, can learn a lot about forgiveness from a dog! Kick a dog and they still come when called - intresting. Well, the comforting thought is now we have our resuces in good homes where they can live the rest of their life fear-free. Although, they say dogs never forget. I sometimes wonder what Tab would do if her previous owner walked up one day. However knowing her like I do, she would probably just put her head down and wait for a pat. Wish I could be so forgiving!

[rushe]

How can he do so much damage to your yard in a short time if he is not out there much, unless he is SuperDog.

Oh believe me, he can do damage in a very short time. He does the damage in the yard, not the kennel, which is why he stays in the kennel when he's outside, not the yard. He stays inside most of the time. I can't watch him every second. I'd have to be superwoman! When I can't watch him, he's in his kennel.

[momo]

I started to train my puppy right away. I think it's so important to keep training your dog all the time. It'll pay off big time later!

[pixiepurls]

If you get a rescue dog, or an older dog you should always be given an oppertunity to have it stay in your house for a few days to make sure it will work for BOTH of you.

I had a bad expereince with a rescue, even after the dog attacked my other dog I could tell they still would have been happy to leave her with me, that bothered me greatly. Find a GOOD rescue, it's just as important as finding a good breeder. Do research, TAKE YOUR TIME!! It's a 15 year investment!!

[Roxy]

I think you need to look at yourself closely and be prepared to make sacrifices for a full grown dog or pup. How much free time do you have now? Do you like being outdoors? Your preparation here makes the transition to dog owner that much more enjoyable. Mind you, I'm saying this in hindsight.
We picked our pup up in April, canceled a vacation, rescheduled our busy schedule around the pup. The situation presented itself for the new addition. We include her in almost everything we do. She has taken to my wife like "velcro". My wife who said she really wasn't a dog person, can't wait to get home now for her greeting. Chalk one up for the Goldens. A spring pup would be much easier on the owners than a "late fall or winter" pup if you live in a northern climate. Since we already had a dog, we had a "yard". Goldies need room to exercise. I hope you like to throw balls and frisbees. Be prepared.The Goldens can love you to death meaning they NEED you. They need interaction. Personally this is what I find so attractive about Golden Retrievers. I think the irony of the situation is a responsible pet owner needs to be trained as much as the dog. It's a learning process all over again even if you have had a pup or dog before. Definetly easier the scond time around. Someone said prepare yourself for a 14 year commitment. I think it's sad it's only 14 years. We pour our heart into the dog and reap it's rewards. 14 years doesn't seem fair but i'll take what I can get.

[koolkidsklub]

I wud say how easily you get frustrated and how much patience you have. Waking up at 1AM and 4AM the first couple of weeks really kills you. Also if your prepared to deal with pee and poo everywhere!

[GoForTheGold]

Reading all this, I am now wondering if the golden is the right breed for us. I am in love with their sweet, funny and gentle dispositions, but do I really want a dog who is needy all the time? From the sounds of it, they don't leave one with a lot of space and room to breathe? I understand about the puppy-raising process. That is simply a given with any babydog. But, what concerns me is reading about how an adult golden simply must be with its humans at all times. This sounds fine if this is the type of dependency one desires.

But at the same time there are times that we just cannot be with our pets. Does this mean we are not meant for a golden? Are they as velcro-like as one poster here made them out to be? Can they not be trained to settle and not always have your attention every minute? Will they still love you if you ask for some space? What about exercise? Is it imperative that they be continously active? Will a couple brisk 30 minute walks and some fetching suffice? Perhaps a run on a beach or park, but not everyday? My main question is can they adapt to a family's lifestyle as long as they offer up a decent amount of affection and activity? But at the same time don't change their lifestyle totally for the dog? A happy medium maybe?

I have friends who have goldens and I don't remember them constantly being under foot or craving attention. They sometimes had balls or toys in their mouths and enjoyed showing them to us. But I also remember their owners being able to tell the dogs to 'settle' or to 'go away now' (in a nice voice). Sometimes they would need to be put in the yard or crate or other room when a lot of company was around. But it didn't seem like a big problem.

So what I am hearing is that I might be making a mistake in getting a golden whether it be a puppy or an adult. I just cannot imagine that these dogs would be the big problem that they are made out to be here, at least by the one person. I have read in other places where they are needy and messy, too. But sometimes not to the extent that I have in other areas. Now I am wondering if I should consider this wonderful breed for our family. We love animals very much and have a lot to give to the ones we presently have. But we simply don't feel we can tend to a needy pet at all times unless they were ill, of course. We would like to create some comfortable space between our pets and us. Is this possible with a golden? :dogbark

[marcyb]

They say that every child has a different mother because we learn and grow and change throughout your life. I think this is true of dogs, too. Our Abby had the makings of a needy, neurotic dog from a rather tough start. The difference is the time and training we put in and the socialization she has received with other dogs. My husband works out of our home, but is often gone up to six hours a day, so it has been the perfect situation. I think we create need in Goldens if we are there 24 hours a day. They need to "learn" how to make themselves happy on their own, just as children do. Yes, they want attention. Abby will always check to see if someone is willing and able to throw the ball or give a belly rub, but if we aren't, she'll find a bone or toy and keep quite content. She did show some separation anxiety at first, but it didn't take long for her to figure out that we would be back. As for us, we just love to spend time with her. She sleeps next to our bed (or starts out there), then waits for some movement and jumps up in the middle of the night. Recently when my husband wasn't feeling well, I quietly told her to go back to her own bed, and she did. I guess my point is, they are a wonderful breed but there is a wide range of individual behavior, most in response to how you treat them. The message of most of this board is that Goldens will not be happy if you plan to stick them in a backyard or kennel for 70% of their time and just parade them out for a walk or quick game of toss. They want to be part of the family, and you wouldn't treat family like that. We go to movies and football games, and I work alot. But this sweet dog has become a focus in our lives because we want her to be, not because she has to be.

[GoForTheGold]

I really appreciate your reply. I also understand what you are saying about helping a dog adapt to YOUR lifestyle. I currently have a small dog who has done that beautifully for the past several years. BUT, her breed description does not include the word NEEDY and overly exuberant with the need for a lot of exercise. Yes, she requires human interaction and she gets a lot of it. :029 Same with walks. But everywhere I read about the Golden I see where they are "wonderful, but it takes a lot of training and work to get them to the point of being a nice pet who will be calm". Or that they can be destructive if not given a lot of exercise. Then there is the matter of the medical diseases and health issues. Is this a big concern now with the Golden retriever?

So my biggest question is: If a certain breed is ingrained to act a particular way, even if we train them to adapt to our lifestyle, it's not always possible to train out the instincts, is it? In other words, I don't want to fool myself into thinking that we can hope that our Golden will be something it simply cannot be.

Just because I love this breed and would give anything to be a good Golden parent, does it necessarily mean that I am meant to have one of my own no matter how sweet and gentle they are? Do I need to take a step back and consider this very seriously because of my doubts? Or as you said, can they just learn to adapt to us?


They say that every child has a different mother because we learn and grow and change throughout your life. I think this is true of dogs, too. Our Abby had the makings of a needy, neurotic dog from a rather tough start. The difference is the time and training we put in and the socialization she has received with other dogs. My husband works out of our home, but is often gone up to six hours a day, so it has been the perfect situation. I think we create need in Goldens if we are there 24 hours a day. They need to "learn" how to make themselves happy on their own, just as children do. Yes, they want attention. Abby will always check to see if someone is willing and able to throw the ball or give a belly rub, but if we aren't, she'll find a bone or toy and keep quite content. She did show some separation anxiety at first, but it didn't take long for her to figure out that we would be back. As for us, we just love to spend time with her. She sleeps next to our bed (or starts out there), then waits for some movement and jumps up in the middle of the night. Recently when my husband wasn't feeling well, I quietly told her to go back to her own bed, and she did. I guess my point is, they are a wonderful breed but there is a wide range of individual behavior, most in response to how you treat them. The message of most of this board is that Goldens will not be happy if you plan to stick them in a backyard or kennel for 70% of their time and just parade them out for a walk or quick game of toss. They want to be part of the family, and you wouldn't treat family like that. We go to movies and football games, and I work alot. But this sweet dog has become a focus in our lives because we want her to be, not because she has to be.

[marcyb]

I wish every prospective Golden parent would put as much thought into this as you are, it is really important to be honest about what you want in your relationship with your dog. I think one of the reasons we stress the "affectionate" (needy) part of their nature is because since they were originally bred as hunting dogs, many people thought they were "outside" dogs, and really I think that is the one thing they are not (I mean live outside). I guess it also depends on if you feel training is work or play. I didn't realize how much I would like obedience classes, I had never been before. And although at times I think Abby has gone stone deaf because she ignores a command, it is very rewarding as her responses quicken and her enjoyment is so obvious. I just read a book called "Beyond Obedience" which is basically about communicating with your dog (all dogs) and some of it was a little out there for me, but the idea of communicating instead of commanding is pretty cool, I think (see husband roll his eyes).

I can't really advise you one way or another except to say I would continue my investigation if I were you. The reason this post interested me is that I was in the same boat a year ago and I just wanted to share that Abby was the best decision I have made in many years. Good luck.

[all for goldens]

Ultimalty the decision is yours and yours alone. You know your family and its needs.

I will say I have seen many goldens in my life. Some are very needy and some are not in the least bit. I think it is a matter of how we train them. There are a few memebers on here that say how lazy their puppy is; mine very much is not, but that was my choice at the breeders. If you are looking for a more layed back golden there are two things you can do to try to make sure of that. 1. Go with a breeder that is known for having layed back dogs as well as has them temperment tested for such. 2. As long as your dog is part of your family (meaning inside, played with some, petted, and allowed to do some things with you) it will adapt to your life.

Any puppy you bring home will require lots and lots of attention at first, but with the right personality and proper training will mellow in time. My hyper puppy is starting to chill out a bit (love those obedience lessons) and will chew on a good bone by herself for an hour. She will also lay down at my feet during dinner and go to sleep, and frequently lays behind my chair and sleeps during the day. She likes to be near me, but she does not always need to be on top of me. She is a very active dog, but I wanted one and made my pick based on that. We go for a 20 min walk in the morning and 30 min. walk in the evening. If we don't get a second walk in then we play fetch for and half hour at night. She likes my attention at night, but spends just as much time playing with her toys on the floor. In the long run, it really is not that much of a work out and is good for my dress size. My sisters golden is perfectly happy laying on the couch and could care less if he gets any excercise.

Good luck with your decision. Most larger dogs are alot of work, especially as puppies. My GR has been nonstop work for the last few months, but I know it will pay off. We have had many dogs in our family, I would not say a GR is any more needy then our labs, terriers, or spaniels. I will say they give twice as much affection though.

[Shannon]

While my sister's dog is clingy in the way GoForTheGold is worried about, my Abby is not. In a way, I kind of hoped she would be, because I love puppy snuggles, but she's much more independent. She goes off on her own to play often. If I'm watching TV or on the computer, she'll come over a quick pat on the head, then she's off to chew a bone or lay down across the room. I think each dog is different, and while there are certain golden characteristics, Abby doesn't need to be entertained every second of the day. Don't get me wrong, she loves to play with us, but she's like me: she likes her "me time," too. :woofpup

[goldiegirl]

I always look at the situation..remember, you are the master, a GR mommy or dad. Like everyone says, it becomes what you train him/her to be. Don't get a golden and say okay, the doggy is needy, go away. Goldens want to please..mine yes can be a pain, but I look into those eyes and want her near me even more. When she wants to play, she will come up to me with a toy and drop it in my lap, do I want to play all the time? no, Then I see the bond I have with her, that no other person can take away. Look into daycares around your area. When I am at work 3 days a wk. she goes to the dog park and plays with her friends. When I am off the rest of the wk. I take her to the beach, the park for usually 3 hrs. a day.If I am tired, I take her to the exercise strip and try to get a nice walk in. Sometims she comes home tired, an lays down right away, other times she is still running around. If you want a GR look at the bigger picture other than being cute..They are active dogs, big dogs, shedders, mud lovers..anything with water, twig eaters,and that tail will wag for every chance it gets. Don't get a GR to push it away when you don't want it near you on your conveince, because in time, you might realize your GR is not giving you space that fits your lifestyle, and it might end up in the shelter.I am sure you would give any animal a loving home, since you have a dog already,Don't get me wrong. There are some GRs that are mellow,but they do need alot of work. Manhattan is 1 1/2 yrs old. She is my seziure alert dog, and still learning everyday. A little side note, GR don't reach their full maturity until 2 yrs of age.

[doreen]

Hi Goldiegirl.

Very well said. If only everybody looked at the big picture. maybe there would not be so many in shelters .

they are puppies and need love and kindness. & also someone to keep them out of harms way. & lots of play time. not left home alone all day.

[Jenmomto2]

I do have to say that i agree with most of Rush'd 1st post.
I love my kobi to death and that is why i am able top put up with all the holes in my backyard, chewd stairs, stains on my carpet, scratched walls and it goes on and on and on and on........
Kobi CANNOT be left outside by himself (which i always forget and end up with yet another hole) as he will find something to destroy.
He's a pooh eating, hole digging,michef making MONSTER and I LOVE HIM!!!!!!! :029

Jenny

[dssxxxx]

I only stop in every now and then.

But, I can say this...........there are a few people posting in this thread that should not have any goldens.

If you have to judge your golden by the amount of time you spend training, or the amount of time it needs to be trained, or amount of petting or anything else, then you need another type of dog or "really" not have a dog at all.

I just lost Apache and he was no trouble....only loyal....only needing......only a best friend.....only a golden.

Harold

[Humarock]

Well, we just went through this.....we put our beloved Moxie down in the spring and thought that was it....we weren't going to get another addition....no way
I started rethinking that, so I got on line, researched, looked at other breeds.....and this is how we got to where we are...

1.) What breed will fit our lifestyle? So that we are not shortchanging the pet, what would be a good match?

2.) Size. Do we want a small dog, medium, large? What is going to work for us?

3.) Monetary issues. Can we AFFORD to bring a pet into the family, it will need vets visits, what if something happens. I looked into the pet insurance and did research on that too.

4.) Are we SURE? We will need to be concerned about if we want to take a vacation, where will the dog go? Can we afford to do the kennel deals, do we have friends that will watch him?

5.) Do we want a puppy or an older dog?

So, with all that, I decided puppy, so I looked around. I found the most adorable puppy, it was great right up until the time it peed on my shoe :eek: and started chewing on my Cashmere sweater..... :confused:

So we decided to get an older dog, say around 2 years old...
Fate had it, that we got put in touch with folks that NEEDED to find a home for their 3 year old Golden....it outgrew their family....they have small children....they couldn't walk the dog....it was too much in the house....they kept him in a cage....so it was meant to be....we got our older purebred he is the best thing in the world...


My advice:
Ask yourself and your family all the above questions.
Puppies are more work than a newborn baby.
You need to have the time to dedicate to the puppy or older dog to aclimate. Not just shut him in his crate and hope for the best, you need to work with them.
A golden LOVES to be active....they are not a sedate creature. They love to run, play, and snuggle. You need to be able to give at the minimum the bare minimum 30 min. a day to walking a golden....get their energy expended and their health kept up, not to mention our own huh?
A pet is a great addition to any family, but make sure you can treat it right, pay attention to them, play with them, love them.

Don't run out and get a dog right away, put some thought into it.....serious thought.....

because THAT is how we hear these stories about rescues and neglected animals because the owners didn't put THOUGHT into it BEFORE they got these beauties.....