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athenix
04-18-2003, 10:48 PM
I hate to bring a downer in here like this, and I hope this isn't "off topic" as it's pretty over and done with, but I've been struggling with this for the past few weeks and wanted to see if anyone else had been through this. Warning: it's long. Apologies if it's innapropriate.

Less than two months ago, my parents commented randomly in conversation that Maggie was kind of "off her feed"; they attributed this to finickiness and said that they would monitor her. My immediate reaction was "vet! vet!", but they decided against it, and as I haven't been living at home for 2+ years, I had no say in the matter.

A month ago, my mother was late picking me up for lunch and explained that she had taken Maggie to the vet, as she had refused food and seemed lethargic. I later found out that she had been having breathing problems accompanying the finicky eating habits (had I known about this previously, I would have found a way to get myself down there and get her to the vet). This was Saturday. The vet kept her for observation as she had a fever of 105*, and x-rays showed a general cloudiness and very tiny mass in the lungs. Liver counts weren't too good, and he had a bad feeling, but wanted to get an infection that was present cleared up before going any farther.

He sent her home Monday with instructions to check temperature twice daily, "spoil her rotten" with food, and just love her to death. Follow up x-rays were scheduled for the next Monday if her condition didn't worsen. Reports from home indicated that she loved the specially prepared meals and seemed to be perking up.

Thursday night (again, I later found out), when my mother went in for her 4am pill, Maggie seemed to not want her to leave and was breathing more and more unsteadily. She thought she may have been dying... later on she went in and slept on my father's bed for a while. Here's the first question. Could she have been dying, but upon realizing that I wasn't there, held on until I could see her? I know, that's silly, but while it would bring more sadness, it may also bring comfort... not sure, she could have just been having a bad night.

In light of this, my parents had me come down Friday evening/night to visit with her (I did not know that she was potentially dying at this point, or at any point afterwards). My parents commented that she was a changed dog. She did things that she hadn't been feeling up to lately (ran after me barking when I went upstairs as she loved to do, barked her head off at the mailman, got up in her special chair, insisted that I take her for a walk) and just generally seemed in better spirits. The next night (Sunday) I called and was told that she seemed much better.

Sunday night seemed to be "the" night. When my mother woke up the next morning she found that Mags had thrown up the 4am pill and hadn't even moved her head. Her eyes had just "lost her joy". The vet visit was that day. Follow up x-rays showed that the suspected diagnosis of cancer was so and it had literally taken over her body - the mass in the lungs had tripled, the cloudy area had completely obscured her heart, it had gotten into her marrow and lymph nodes. Lightly put, there was absolutely nothing we could do, and he said that he wouldn't be surprised if she went that night, and if she went naturally, it would be a crisis: she would bleed out and literally suffocate. I know we did the right thing. He sent my mother home to call me and she went back to have it done; she said that during the fifteen minutes that she spent just walking around the grounds beforehand, you could really tell that there was none of that Golden joy left in her, and she was ready.

Now, here are my questions:

1. I've been going through this incredible amount of guilt that I didn't push my parents at the very beginning to have her seen by the vet (who, by the way, is a truly wonderful soul and really cared for her; we were lucky). Everyone that I've talked to has said that all it would have done is let us know that there was a major problem and that the cancer was moving so quickly it only would have made the last month we had with her worrisome and sad. But still... I'm just wracked with guilt that I didn't do something, and maybe I could have.

2. It really seems as though she deteriorated overnight. Has anyone else experienced that? It seems incredible, but in a way I'm thankful for that, as she didn't suffer until the very end, and for most of that time, she was sedated.

3. This is more grief-related, but instead of the image of her dying peacefully, surrounded by two people that she loved (my mother and her vet), I see her instead bleeding out as would have happened... blood everywhere, and I just can't shake this image. I know that's not how it happened, but... will that ever go away? They say it fades with time; will that?

4. Maybe this is another one of those "it might help" questions, but... is it possible that my visiting helped make her last days great ones? The vet says that that's just an indication of how much she loved me and what I meant to her. I had given her back a stuffed toy that she really loved (Puppy... who had accidentally been in my possession since I moved out, as she stuck in it my suitcase) and reportedly she never left it alone. Puppy is now safe in my bed, where, although she's been washed, she still carries reminders of Maggie.

Note: I don't mean to make my parents out as neglectful owners - they did everything they could for her and I firmly believe that if they had honestly felt there to be a serious problem from the beginning, they would have gone straight to the vet. They loved that dog (possibly more than me!) and I imagine are feeling her loss just as deeply as I am. This, I'm sure, is one of those five stages of grieving bits where I'm beating myself up over "what might have been, but almost definitely wouldn't have". And I don't blame them one bit for keeping little bits of information from me. The entire time I knew she wasn't eating very well, I was worried, and the only word to describe my condition that last week was distraught - calling every night and trying to think up excuses to call ("hey, Dad, I got that insurance form, so should I mail it or wait? oh, and by the way, how's the pup?"). In fact, I'm glad that they did, because I really enjoyed and cherished that last bit of time I got to spend with her; it had a sad tone to it, but wasn't near as bad as it would have been had I thought she was dying (which, again, no one knew at the time).

I apologize for the length and down-tone of this post, and hope it's not too irrelevant. I guess I've just reached the end of my patience with keeping wide awake at night and am thinking that maybe (well, knowing) I'm not alone, and while I doubt there will ever be a cure, perhaps knowing that and having a few educated guesses as to my questions will help me sleep and bring those happy memories back into the lead.

And no, I'm not normally this sappy-sad-immature :)

CanadianGolden423
04-19-2003, 05:24 AM
We had a dog die of cancer. She came in very bloated one day, still eating, etc. Within less than a week, she was totally gone. She opted against surgery- we think the cancer may have been spread in tiny masses throughout her liver. She had been completely normal less than a week before. Overnight she did go quite downhill. I definitely think it's possible for her to have gone downhill that fast. You visiting helped her, without question. She was your dog, she loved you- seeing you must have cheered her up and given her a lot more energy. Try not to picture of think of her dying. I stayed with Rose when she was euthanized, and I couldn't stop thinking about the last few seconds for weeks. Now I can remember her as a happy, healthy, energetic dog, but if I think about that scene I'll still cry. It will fade with time. Maybe you can make a donation to an animal cancer organization in her name? When our horse was put down, the vet made a donation to the AVA, I believe, for research. That made me feel a lot better, knowing that somethin good came from it. Make sure you keep all your pictures of her- everything you have.

Samra

Goldenheart
04-19-2003, 11:04 AM
<span style="font-family:georgia; color:navy;">Oh, so sad<img border=0 src="http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/frown.gif" />It sure does hurt when you lose them and it takes time for all the bad memories to be replaced by the good ones, but it will happen. I remember back when our Sadie died of Cancer that I promised myself I would never get that attached to a dog again.....but I have and even though someday we know they will leave us, it will all be worth the memories they shared with us.

Don't blame your parents, chances are your golden's Cancer was to far in advance to have been able to save him, as it was with Sadie. I did notice like you though the day before Sadie died she got this big burst of energy, as if nothing was wrong with her. But, the next day she was down and fighting hard not to leave us. As soon as I told her it was ok to go, and tears running down her eyes and mine too she passed on.

Think of all the good things you and your golden have done together, and what your golden has left you with. All those wonderful memories. Your golden right now is in a wonderful place and free of all pain. I hope that comforts you.</span>

jdczekaj
04-19-2003, 07:34 PM
We lost our dog Ninja to cancer in February 2002. It also seemed to happen overnight. She started getting sick about once a week. Tests showed nothing abnormal. Within a couple of weeks we were referred to a specialist because she went downhill so quickly. That's when she was diagnosed with lymphosarcoma; it totally infiltrated her intestinal tract. How on earth she wasn't sick prior to this I do not know, as it was extremely progressed. We started on oral chemotherapy, but it did not help. The cancer was just too far along. We did not pursue additional chemo, as the prognosis was not good. I didn't want my baby to suffer anymore.

Like you, I was confused because it just happened so quickly. I mean one day I had a happy, healthy lil' gal and the next day she was so sick. I didn't understand it. But in a way I am grateful that it happened quickly, for Ninja's sake. I would have hated for her to have suffered through a long, painful time.

Guilt is a normal part of the grieving process, I think. For the longest time, and even sometimes still, I think 'What if.....'.

What it I had known sooner?

What if we had tried the additional chemo?

What if I had pushed the vet to keep on testing until something came back conclusive?

What if I overlooked some sign?

What if I didn't do all I could for her?

And the list goes on. But the 'what if' game is so exhausting, so unfair to ourselves. We all do what we can to help our furbabies. And in the end we do what is best for them. Unfortunately, we always wonder if there was just something more we could do. Please do not beat yourself up over this. She loved you very much and knew you were there for her.

Try not to think about the last moments. After all, they do not represent her life. Think of the many good, happy times you shared with her. It is tough at first, because your mind will keep wandering to those last few days and moments. But force your mind on the happy times. That is how she should be ... and would want to be... remembered.

Over time you will be able to think of her without crying; although you will always yearn for her in your heart. You will find joy in the memory of her life, rather than sorrow at the memory of her death.

~Debbie * Whipper * Cocoa
Ninja in Rainbow Bridge, February 8, 2002

emmysourgolden
04-20-2003, 07:13 PM
I just wanted to add that you are in NO WAY being too sappy or immature. You loved that dog and I think the things you are feeling are normal. I know they are normal, everyone goes through grieving differently anything you are thinking or feeling is normal and your way of working through it.
I'm sure this is easier said than done but try to not feel guilty. You had no way of knowing how serious it was and in all likelihood medical intervention wouldn't have really changed things. Try to think of all the happy times!! :434

Owned By Goldens
04-20-2003, 07:44 PM
My previous dog Tahnee had a small growth on her stomach and it was diagnosed as cancerous early. We were told she could have treatment but I wouldn't make her live any longer and it would just make her last months painful, she was given six months to live. She lived 9 months but through those months it was hard knowing that each day could be her last and those months were an extremely stressful time for me. So even diagnosing something early doesn't mean it can be treated and makes it hard knowing when the dogs time could be up.

Trxxiego
04-23-2003, 03:51 PM
Hi I am new here but wanted to post to this. My amazingly healthy golden was on my lap one minute waiting to go visit his grandparents and then suddenly slumped over in a seizure and just had emergency surgery to remove his spleen due to a grapefruit sized tumor.

These things happen without warning. We can't know what is going on inside of them, especially Goldens because they just hate to complain. Don't feel guilt, it takes away from the love and joy you gave your dog. I had posted in the prayers forum b/c he isn't out of the woods, they didn't find any obvious signs of other tumors but we all know microscopic tumors can be there. This huge tumor was growing in him for months and I had no way of knowing for sure although in retrospect there were telltale signs. But he is almost 12 so I attributed it to his getting older.

Remember the loving memories not the painful guilt you may feel.